Comments on: Nokia: Caught between Elop and a hard place ?

By: JollaTides

JollaTides — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:46:59 +0000

I think there is room for WP8 and another smartphone ecosystem at Nokia, but why they apparently decided to throw all eggs into 1 basket is – to this day – beyond me. And why they appear to be putting so many similar WP handsets out there when they could have tested the market with a couple at the most while the WP ecosystem was still developing is also very confusing. Without that many distinguishing features, and without proven success, they now have 510, 610, 710, 800, 820, 822, 900, 920 all touchscreen windows phones. They could have just as easily released half that number and continued focussing the other half on MeeGo or Symbian. With WP 7.5 they should have tested the market with 1 high-end and 1 low-end phone not 4 models that appear very similar. Building on that with WP8 they should also test again with 1 low-end/1 high-end until they are certain of its success. Meanwhile providing continuation with either Symbian or MeeGo alongside could have been easily achievable and would have satisfied existing customers not willing to make the switch to Lumia. As it stands, they have alienated existing customers in the blind hope that those customers will make the switch to Lumia which for me do not offer enough comparable features to be interested yet.

By: Gharib

Gharib — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 13:39:45 +0000

Elop is the biggest Nokia mistake in history, even a 5 years old child knows very well that WP8 will never sells because it is simply as its precedor WP7 does not respect 3rd party developers, Steve Ballmer tried to insult developers intelligence when he claimed that WP8 re-opened native development which is far from the truth, 3rd party developers are only allowed to program on WinRT and only Microsoft is the one allowed to access both WinRT and Win32 APIs, Meego is a real open developer friendly OS, get it back to Nokia and don’t even rename it to Sailfish, people love who admit its mistake and they will all buy Meego devices. and as a rule of thumb, alway hire engineer CEOs for engineering companies not what they called (business managers) because they are really professional in destroying engineering in companies. Hire them in banks instead.

By: iberlynx

iberlynx — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:36:42 +0000

Windows phone, will never go anywhere! The market shows it clearly! Fire Elop and start selling the best hardware in the world which nokia produces with jolla’s sailfish in it, and Nokia will have a chance at survival, and competing with the i’s and the droid’s!

By: punkaz

punkaz — Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:20:16 +0000

whatever told and judged, there has been a prior mistake of Nokia to bring delayed products at the required times. had the MeeGo OS come along with nokia N8 times, may be Nokia Belle would had replenished the hopes too. S^3 was shitty. Belle 2 years ago, Meego just after the N900 or may be MAEMo still going with blazing guns might had rescued may be this situation would never had come. nokia already ahd the ecosystem, still fell, Android was unheard so was IOS, all came and rules, but why nokia failed.delivery of S60v5 Phones at flagship N97 was a big mistake, it never took up the challenge even with mediocre iphone 3. updates and the UI elements were too old to hang on with. ELOP Efffect, may be YES! but to a very little. Nokia never knew what consumers wanted. others did. they are cherishing. thats why OUR dear nokia is out of the TOP 5 Smartphone makers. thats so hurting.I personally hate Iphone and Android is just like the IOS, just the extention varies.Nokia does give a different taste, But that too with the crappy MS collabration,we got to get the same baked stuff, even by Samsung, HTC, blah, blah.
Waiting for the JOLLA event on Nov 21, Lets not get disapponted. we have very high hopes and lets see how it goes. Jolla Got to make the best smart phone experience. Make it grand. we are just, just with so many other NOKIA fans, who only like to Switch to JOLLA, from Nokia. not others.
way to go.
Best Regard. Best Wishes Jolla.
Pankaj

By: JollaTides

JollaTides — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:20:25 +0000

Interesting E R, do you have a link for the Finnish journalist you mention ?
I disagree that Nokia have become one manufacturer amongst many – their products are still exemplary in the industry and they are at least in the top 6 manufacturers.
This is primarily a Jolla site of course, but there are prior links to Nokia which help tell the Jolla story to date. This should not be seen as a burden, but in fact helps anyone who has ever owned a Nokia connect with who Jolla are and what they are trying to achieve.

By: e r

e r — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:37:09 +0000

I tend to agree with you in terms of abandoning symbian / meego without a fight was shortsighted. It may even turn out to be fatal, albeit there’s been some good work buy a finnish journalsit / blogger as to the how and why (of giving up).

With (current) hindsight though regardless of how poor a situation Nokia was in, it has become glaringly obvious that it has now been relegated to being one manufacturer among many, a fate which it seems could have been avoided.

However, this is a Jolla site, and one should not burden them with past history. I just hope Jolla can and does capitalise on all the pre-existing goodwill of current and former Nokia customers, and understands the value in been equally loyal to them.

Been ex-Nokia I hope Hurmola and friends put enough wieght on manufacturing logistics and more importantly on technical quality of devices. IMO Nokia has and still does beat ALL other manufacturers in terms of device quality. In this respect one cannot do too much.

Either way, looking forward to seeing / experiencing the first Jollaphones.. !

By: Fred Blogs

Fred Blogs — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:39:21 +0000

How much shareholder value was destroyed? It is in the tens of billions and knocked Nokia directly off the number one spot, we don’t yet know where it will land because it still hasn’t stopped falling. The board should all resign, I am almost surprised there have been no hitmen hired by shareholders given the size of the losses.

I’ve seen the Lumia 900, it’s actually a nice phone, the user interface is fast, easy, and snappy but designed not for power users. Maybe the new Lumia 920 will stop their headlong fall. Maybe they will see sense, fire Elop and buy Jolla.

By: Future Jolla buyer

Future Jolla buyer — Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:22:00 +0000

It depends on what kind of Nokia you have in mind. I hate their current approach, I dont like their stupid windows OS and Elop seems a complete idiot. The Burning platform memo is one of the most idiotic things that a CEO could ever write. Abandoning without a fight an excellent OS like Symbian (I’m a Nokia 603 owner) and the nice promissing MeeGo (a few of my friends own N9s so I know something about it) was incredibly stupid.Even now, when symbian is almost dead, Nokia still sells more symbian handsets than windows phones. I cant believe that such an OS couldnt at least try to put up a fight against the Android-beta for ever (which is a very nice OS for tablets, I must say, since i have a samsung galaxy tab 2) or the uncustomizable no multi-tasking IoS (Steve Jobs rest in peace, but your heirs will ruin Apple with another set of accurate maps).
Sorry, but I like the Symbian-MeeGo Nokia, not the MS appendix that we have right now.

By: NOKIAfun

NOKIAfun — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:38:32 +0000

i think the same thing of nokia company
i always choice my phones ( few phones ) from nokia
cause these phone are powerfull antenna capability and high impact resistence
if u looking at MOBILE NET of Iphone u can see the low value of this “phone”, if u could call it phone
…… NOKIA is history of mobile like UNIX/LINUX for Personal Computer
i think that nokia could finance jolla, trying other way to mobile market, leaving the coiche to customers to choose WP7.5 with Elop or MeeGo with Hurmola

By: akismet-ae43be8a621489f9d33ff39d2c74ca1f

akismet-ae43be8a621489f9d33ff39d2c74ca1f — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:51:01 +0000

Nokia might actually succeed with their Lumia’s, they still do beautiful design from a hardware point of view, they have a lot of original innovations going for them. Not to forget their long expertise in radio and communication solutions. The Microsoft/Nokia Lumias will never be anything for me though, the platform is…well you all know, I don’t even need to mention how closed and noobish it is. (And nothing bad about WinCE itself which is what is actually underneath all that Phone 8…I have worked with WinCE for a few years and its a great embedded operating system).

Further, no manufacturer these days understand the power of physical keyboards and the terrible shortcomings of the virtual ones, less Nokia. It’s all about design, shiny smooth scrolling with big huge icons for visually and mentally impaired people. Trillions of apps in the eco system instead of a few hundred good ones. One app for each tiny little purpose (many times the web experience is better than the useless apps). Quantity beats quality. We’re all going to be good little monkeys sitting on the bus completely brainwashed and incapacitated by these products. Makes me sick. But this is what people buy.

Anyhow, what I don’t like about Nokia particularly is how they have handled their faithful customers and product support in history. Remember how quickly they drop their support and how weak their continuous development of firmware for their phones is, even their “flagships” are left burning. Look at the N900, we did get PR1.3, but that’s where it stopped and things were still buggy as hell everywhere (Indeed a good phone and product, but still badly supported). To me, I value a company that takes care of their product in the field more than anything, its essential to me.

What really made me like something about Nokia was the N800/N900 series. Great stuff, genuine linux platform and fantastic Qt on top of it. But comparing them with Nokias “feature” handsets, like E66 and older ones like N73 had user interfaces that was just insanely incomprehensible and user hostile. Structure of menus, the key mapping and odd UI mechanisms designed by dingbats. Surprisingly enough, that’s where they made their big bucks before that Smartphone boom. I’m not really sure why they were so big…maybe because the competition sucked worse.

I just hope for Jolla to succeed with their first phones and that they can turn everything around.
I have a feeling that these guys have their minds set in the right direction.

Rant complete.