Poll: Are You A Pixel Peeper ?

Our most recent post here has caused quite a knee jerk reaction regarding the recently revealed screen specs of the Jolla handset.

It seems people are divided over the recently revealed information with some claiming it as a deal breaker but with others more than happy with the goods.

For clarity, at 960×540 qHD the new Jolla handset’s screen equates to 244.77ppi on a 16:9 aspect ratio.

According to the site below, that would mean pixels are indistinguishable when the handset is held at 14inches from the face. (thanks to Jon for the link)

Jolla screen: pixels are indistinguishable to the human eye when held at 14 inches from the face.

Jolla screen: pixels are indistinguishable to the human eye when held at 14 inches from the face.

Given that we are paying a mid range price for quite a large set of features, is this really a deal breaker for the majority of people ?

As suggested by TimmyBoy, here’s a poll to find out :

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    • I just did a test with my Motorola Milestone (aka Motorola Droid) and 36 cm seems to be just about the usual distance from my eyes. So according to this calculator, Jolla can become Retina for me. For comparison, my ThinkPad 14″ 1600×900 laptop would become Retina at 66 cm distance.

      The real issue is of course how much stuff you can fit on the display. The amount of pixels directly tells us the usable area (square pixels, width * height). To me Milestone’s display feels kind of small using Android (especially the browser) and landscape-keyboard would take more than half of the screen. Luckily Milestone has a physical qwerty. Well, Jolla has 26% more pixels and naturally Jolla can optimize their Sailfish UI and native apps for their device.

      Talking about Android apps, for example HTC One screen is only 0.2″ bigger than Jolla yet it has 300% more pixels. Scalability options? I guess you’re stuck with what the app developers are doing.

      At least it’s better than Nokia E71 with 2.36″ screen and 320×240 resolution :D
      (Phone of the Year and the Best Smartphone at the 2008 Mobile Choice Consumer Award)

      • 640 x 480 pixels is the density on phone released 2 generations later on the E6. same size screen. would have been phone of the year if smartphones were still in the same state as they were when the e71 came out. still use mine as it outlasts any current phone lifespan in reliability and battery life.

  1. Just for clarity, there is someone who is posting under many different names (almost 20 already) in this and the other thread.

    In fact he was the one who suggested we do this poll which I’m now thinking I might remove due to the deception involved. I have taken his comments down as it is misleading for people to think that it was 20 different people’s idea when in fact it was one guy just spamming the same message and heavily influencing the course of discussion.

  2. Do you think the same person is just voting 100% ‘no?’
    I don’t think so. I think that there are more people a bit unsatisfied with the screen rezolution (check facebook and other websites)….including me

    • Of course not but if people are deceived to think 1 person is actually 20 different people it is more than a bit misleading and can certainly influence people.

      As it is, the poll is around 60:40 in favour of higher res screen although the lack of votes in general shows that it’s still a very small demographic.

  3. Dear Jolla, this is not spam, take it serious ;) If your product is not good, do not lunch it. I will prefer to even pay more and get a good device.

    • yes, Jolla! whether for lunch, for dinner or dessert, if your product doesn’t taste good, you shuoldn’t eat it at all! :-D

    • its not a dealbreaker for me personaly but i dont like that. With such a low resolution they should have told that fact earlier.

      • Agreed…I expected the lower hardware specs in regards to processor and memory as the Jolla team obviously has skill with making an OS that doesn’t need it (The N9, for example). I also didn’t expect anything more than the 8 mega pixel camera. However I in no way expected to see such a low quality screen…and while I am likely to buy this first Jolla phone in a symbolic support, I feel let down…and will be doing it in hopes that Jolla succeeds, and puts Sailfish on a higher quality phone.

  4. for sailfish supporter is good, but if you want to attract new customers this is not enough, you have to compete with nexus4,SIII,optimus g etc…, for mid range price stardard is hd resolution, i think it’s useless but marketing is everything

    • Nexus 4 is a bit of anomaly. I’ll give you that. In the UK it sold at £279 for the 16GB originally and Google have been dumping them for £199 recently ready for the Nexus 5 to appear.

      The Jolla is €399 which is £336 inc tax and shipping. Finnish tax is slightly higher than the UK.

      The Samsung S4 is £549 in the UK. (ie. £213 more expensive)

      http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/buy/SAMSUNG_GALAXY_S4/

      The Optimus G2 is due soon at £489 according to Expansys (ie. £153 more expensive)

      http://www.expansys.com/lg-optimus-g2-black-252421/

      You can buy those cheaper maybe on eBay or Amazon but that’s not really a fair comparison.

      iPhone 5S is £549 and 5C is £469 for another datapoint.

      Nokia 1020 is £599, 920 is £379, 925 is £399, 620 is around £200 but lets not kid ourselves that Nokia is making much profit there.

      The Jolla, at the price it is, is not competing with the top end phones. It’s competing with phones like the HTC 601, HTC One Mini, Samsung S4 Mini and to some extent with the Nokias which all seem to be at bargain bucket prices. Most of those do not have HD screens.

      Really. Go look at what you can buy from the big guys at €399 (£336) including tax.

      That’s not to say I don’t think they need a competitor to the Galaxy S4, G2, iPhone 5S but that wouldn’t be at the price Jolla are charging which is entirely reasonable.

      • Shipment is not included isn’t?
        I checked just now,

        BB Z10 is 302euro
        Nexus 4 is 251 euro
        Lumia 920 287 euro

        Also these prices are for now and for Christmas they would be cheaper. You can also make contract and buy them cheaper.
        I wish Jolla all the best. But I will cancel my order.

        • It’s not even worth comparing – none of those can do what the Jolla handset can do.

          If you really wanted BB10, Android, WP8 then go with one of those handsets instead.

          • How faster Sailfish would be in comparison with BB10 or Anroid? Do you have any video comparing booting or loading an app on both Sailfish and BB10/Android? I appreciate it if you can provide us a video. This might clear everything. What I didn’t really like from Jolla is that they hide the truth!

              • I will remain in contact and keep eyes on this page. It might be possible that they reduce the price or even update some specs. the first one is more probable in my point of view. However, after the lunch the market defines the price.

                • Please do – we value a variety of objective opinions here and it’s good to have some strong discussion. Also please look out for some future videos comparing Sailfish with other OS’s.

                  I think the resolution debate seems to be dividing people almost 50:50 which is very interesting.

        • You’re right…other phones on other platforms can currently offer better spec-value than the Jolla. But people shouldn’t forget that as a first adopter, we’re not going to get the best deal compared to what’s already available. Not only in specs, but also in apps and functionality. Were going to have to find workarounds and help Jolla develop their product.

          So, what do you get that the others cannot offer you?

          Buying from a challenger (startup)
          Learning about an all new OS
          Being part of a community effort
          ‘Prism-proof’ European OS

          For me it’s a conscious choice for getting the Jolla, knowing fully well that it will not outspec other offers on existing platforms. I’m fine with that. When Marc Dillon mumbled “one of the HD’s” in response to a question about the resolution, I already expected it to be qHD. So, it’s no dealbreaker for me.

          Besides, people make a mistake. Economically speaking, for the premium pre-order, one should compare with €299 phones, since the €100 you already paid is sunk cost. You got a nice T-shirt for that, and you will also get one Other Half.

          • “‘Prism-proof’ European OS”
            Lol, you really believe that? Beside the NSA gets the information from the carriers anyway, they will also have chips from US-Manufacturers which all have the NSA bonus functionality.

            • Well, at least it’s one point of entry that’s being tackled. Of course, I realise that there are more vulnerabilities, such as the service providers for mail, chat, social networks etc.I also realise that Europe may be just as bad as the US, only we don’t know it (yet). But we have to start somewhere and I can assure you that the first steps will not come from iOS, Android or WP.

              As a beside, I think not being hooked up to the PRISM may prevent Jolla (or other firms) from ever having any success at least in the US.

        • On the preorders shipping was included. I didn’t pay any extra when the T-shirt was shipped from Finland to the UK.

          The prices you’re quoting do not seem to be regular retail prices either but discounted prices on phones that may be end of line. It’s unfair to compare discounted pricing with manufacturers recommended prices.

      • yes! S4 mini.
        Available now, I can buy it in a brick-and mortar store tomorrow for 359 euro.

        Jolla? 399€, ships in (about?) two months.

        and the S4 mini is dual core 1,7ghz. and is a samsung, let’s face it, a know and reputable brands in the eyes of many “average tech” (not in disrespect) people.

        • That would be the S4 mini with 8GB. The 16GB is more.

          But either of those are around the same spec for around the same money. €40 is neither here nor there.

  5. It is only disappointing that when the phone was revealed we were told that it is “hd” screen, which obviously meant qHD and not 720p that everybody expected. Otherwise it’s not a deal breaker since ppi is almost the same as n9 and without pentile and I’ve had no complaint over n9 screen sharpness.

  6. I have tried my friends lumia 720 with 217ppi display, and it looks very good imo. I think that’s bullshit to break the deal cause of that. More important is, how it looks in sun shine. Reso won’t tell you everything. And I’m pretty sure, sailfish makes me much more happy than rotten fruit with 1080p

  7. Everything you have done today is impressive. I understand that you are anguished to get the phone to the market but do not that letting your decision. It is so important that the first phone meets up with buyer demands and that you get good reviews

  8. i am using a lumia (company phone) with allmost similar specs display and have nothing bad to say about it. I do not look at it closer than 30 cm and i fact even if I stare at it very closely the pic is still good…i do not understand what you are complaining about

    • I am glad that Jolla has not entered the fruitless battle of meaningless display pixels. 960×540 is just the right resolution for 4.5″ screen. But it is understandable if later Jolla brings a bit higher resolution in a later model. But, I believe that quite few people really see the difference, The higher resolution would be needed only because of the “specs geeks” who only look at the numbers in technical specs and insist on getting the highest resolution on the screen, and because many competitors of Jolla provide so high resolutions.

      Whatever the resolution is, please provide the possibility to adjust the size of text on the screen. Like the Symbian phones and N900 of Nokia have, but later models don’t; 5 levels (Very large / Large / Normal / Small / Very small) or 3 levels. No, I don’t mean zooming. If zooming is the only method of making text legible, it means that on many web pages and text editors, along with zooming in, you have to scroll the text horizontally twice on every line of text (to see the ends of the lines), which naturally does not make sense. There are some smart web pages and online text-editing services, which make the text wrap automatically in the availabe size of text window. But the are many which are less smart.

      I’m reminding of this, because some “hacker’s” text editors for Maemo and Meego phones have had desperately small text sizes (even with the largest text size, on phones which has 3 or 5 text size availalbe). Therefore, I’ve come to the conclusion that the legibility of text was not tested at all by developers of the text editors, or they tested only with people younger than 25 or 30 years. A remarkable part of customers older 40 than years are not able to read such texts.
      I’m reminding of this because quite often on phones, along with the increasing pixel densities, the text sizes tend to become smaller and smaller, and the current consumption tends to increase, meaning flat batteries more often than with moderatly low pixel densities.

      • A very good point made by egon. I’m one of those older folks who would appreciate adjustable font sizes (and not so many pixels). Not talking about the size of fonts my first phone had (Nokia 1610) :) but something bigger than the ones in N9 however.

        • N9 does not have text size adjustment. But because its screen has a moderatly low pixel density, there are quite few situations when the text is too small on web pages, and we can say that those who wrote the N9 specs made only a minor mistake. But, along with increasing pixel densities, the text-size adjustment feature becomes crucial.

          The usefulness of the text-size-adjustment feature is not limited to the legitibility issue. You can adjust the width of browsing view (in characters) by setting the text size to a smaller value. An eample: when I browse with N9 to a comment which has many chained replies, so that the last one uses a “long” indentation (that of http://jollatides.com/2013/09/19/poll-are-you-a-pixel-peeper/comment-page-1/#comment-9222 , for example), you will see only a few characters per line, and the reply text is displayed as a very long text (dozens of feet long). And you cannot make the text width any wider. But on N900 the last reply can be read easily by adjusting its text size to a smaller value. It helps also in some other applications, such as text editors (online and offline ones).

          What about the Jolla phone? How do you see the above linked reply? And is there a text-size adjusting feature on the Jolla phone?

    • The main problem is price/specs.
      Second, there is another point which is important. More pixels per inch means protecting your eyes. In nature, materials are set of nodes (lets call them atoms) which are very close and you can not see the distance between them.
      For me as an App developer, the 1 GB Ram is not enough (specially when you think about running android apps or multitasking!)
      So the price should be around 250 to 300 euros and not more.!!!
      I was fan of Jolla and I advertised it a lot because of its OS. But unfortunately I have to forget it and wait for 3 more months to get an Ubuntu.
      Jolla, in my point of view, just likes to share its OS as a first strategy and find some costumers for its OS. then the next strategy would be to get in to low / mid end market in China or India. I wish them all the best and Goodbye Jolla, You didn’t respected the need of your costumers.

      • Go easy, it’s just the first Jolla phone to be produced. The Jolla 2 will have much better specs. The target audience for the first Jolla is developers and early adopters.

        As someone who preordered, the price for me is €299 since I already ‘lost’ the €100 of the premium package.

        It’s not realistic to expect the same kind of specs, as well as a newly developed OS and UI, as well as Android compatibility, as well as distinguishing Other Half technology for the same price as a product from the established OEMs and platforms.

        It has even taken Microsoft more than 3 years to establish the platform and OS, running behind in specs all the time, and they’re still not there. That’s Microsoft with $ bbb to spend! Give Jolla a little break…

  9. Personally, I’m a bit disapointed by the pretty low resolution. But considering qHD screen, I’m also dispointed by the screen size. 4.3″ would have been great by making a smaller phone.

  10. The Poll is missing a few options – like: It bothers me, but I might put up with it provided the rest of the package offers something significantly better than the competition.

  11. The point with all of this is that given the choice you’d be a fool not to want the highest resolution possible.

    But considering that the price would go up a whole lot for full HD, I’m sure most people would suddenly be more than happy with the current resolution which IMO is more than adequate.

    I mean for frick sake it’s much better than the Lumia 820 (217ppi vs 245ppi) which was around the same price bracket upon release!

    • I was just wondering if it would be a viable business model for Jolla to provide a one click install(image) for Nexus/HTC/Sony devices for $ 20-30. This way people can choose the device they want and install the OS they want.

      Could you make poll for this, pleaseee? (looking at you with puppy eyes)

  12. Everyone complaining about the resoluton must have been using 1600p monitors for five years and must have moved to 4k upon their release. Seriously the resolution competition in smartphones is pure marketing as most (around 99%) won’t notice the difference. The number is made from the amount of people using 1600p or higher resolution monitors with their PCs. If you don’t mind having a low resolution in your monitor or TV why would it bother you in your smartphone which is usually just quickly glanced upon.

    • Exactly. Let me point out another topic: the legibility of texts (i.e. how easy the text is to read). It is a common misbelief that increasing the screen resolution improves the legibility. In some cases that is true, but it should not be used as a rule for design. Actually, the legibility of texts has often been made worse by increasing the screen resolution, as the result of poor design of text sizes and fonts:
      (1) If there is no setting for the text size, and the text size is keps as small as in an earlier model (which has a lower screen resolution), the only available text size may have become too small for many viewing and editing situations.
      (2) As the result of making the pixels so small that you cannot see them, you cannot see clearly the smallest details of some alphabets, which earlier were distinguishable on the screens o lower-resolution. Such details are, for example, the dots and accents above letters like ä ö å ë é è. They may consist of as few as 1 … 4 pixels when displayed on low-resolution screens. With careful planning, they are made to consist of more pixels when displayed on high-resolution screens. But there still are situations when it is difficult to identify those letters, or to see the difference between the á and à letters. An eample:
      Around 1990 the MacIntosh computers of Apple had miserable fonts for letters like ä ö å ë é è: their accents really consisted of 1… 4 pixels. And Apple people were proud of the small screens of MacIntosh computers, the pixel density of which was higher than on most CRT displays for PC. But the accents were difficult to see. Apparently the American engineers did not understand the complaints from Europe and Latin America, because they did not use those hard-to-identify letters. So, it took around 15 years to get acceptable fonts to Apple computers. Perhaps most customers were able to identify the letters but their stange-looking accents decreased the image of Apple computers. That must have been one of the reasons why Apple was not so popular in Europe and Latin America.

  13. Can’t understand why a phone should have a HD display. My 12.5 inch laptop display has a standard WXGA display and it’s quite fine for use, well, on the lap, half a meter away. Maybe your software and font sizes are configured wrong if you need a > 720p display for a cellphone. Definately not a deal breaker, as long as the UI works smooth with the chosen display and usability is thought of.

  14. I have a Nokia n8 (360 x 640 pixels, 3.5 inches (~210 ppi pixel density)) and I have never thought about creepy pixels on my phone. I’m not able to see any of this ominous pixels. Also the phone from Jolla (with ~245ppi pixel density) will even be better.

    Also what no one mentioned jet … the Jolla will have the other half! Something that no other phone have (for now, as far as I know). I2C is such a nice bus. You can control LCDs, using it for a keyboard, connect to some NVRAM (or other memory), or even connect it to some other calculation units (e.g. something like the M7 in the iPhone, or other micro controller), or connect it to your PC or your sound system … or …

    I will never cancle my order for such a nicely hackable and extendable phone …

  15. It doesn’t bother me either way. What bothers me is the fact all hints on LTE / 4G capabilities have vanished from Jolla’s Website. Will the phone feature q4G now?

  16. To me the screen size is not such an issue, I don’t really have much experience with the latest smartphones and their superb screens either, apart from trying out S4 and iPhone 5 models on shops briefly, their screens looked gorgeous though.
    However, if the battery lasts longer due to a lower quality screen I’d take the longer lasting battery easily. I don’t really need a super crispy screen anyway.
    Two of the most important things with Jolla to me are 1.) the OS 2.) Qwerty-keyboard (which I hope they eventually release lol).
    I also want to support Jolla as a company since they are competing against the giants.

  17. The problem is not the resolution in itself. Everyone how switches screen with different resolution of the same size know it’s not just the ppi. Also the fact of the amount of information that can be displayed on the screen changes. Smaller items can be viewed without any form of strain on the eyes.

    From a medical perspective a bit higher resolution will reduce the give the eyes more rest while reading. To try this your self print a page of the internet at 200 dpi and at 400/500 dpi. Reading at 400/500 dpi will be easier on the eyes.

    The screen itself plays a role in this as well. e-ink is easier on they eyes then a brightly ttl screen.

    The low resolution is’n really a deal breaker for me. But I’m really re thinking my position on Jolla. To many more sat backs will make me do so. “Upgrading” the screen to 720p will help Jolla in the long run. I’m not quite sure if this can be done for the price of 399 (and the extras you can get if you do the 100 euro pledge).

  18. I have Nexus 7 with 1280×800 screen, ppi is 216 and I can’t identify single pixels so 244 ppi in Jolla should not be a problem.

  19. I am very satisfied with the coming Sailfish. It is clear advantage when compared to N9 plus
    a lot of new functions and characteristics. The first Jolla phone is good enough giving chances to a lot of other Jolla phones in future. I’m waiting very eagerly my preordered Jolla Sailfish!

    • I am a little bit disapposinted ppiwise, but I swill want my Jolla, Lower resolution is better for speed and battery, but 1GB RAM could be a problem, because good multitasking is really important for Sailfish OS.

      • I’ve seen a lot of people complaining about the ram, and I would like to ask: have you ever used Linux? I have Arch idling with 400 MB ram with GNOME 3 , which is considered quite resource-intensive, and with 620 MB running Chromium, a full desktop browser. This is still less than the 700 – 800 MB my android phone uses doing nothing…

        I reach 1 GB with Chromium, Opera, Firefox and Spotify all running at the same time, and note that these are desktop software running on a desktop UI.

        Android is a different matter, and people have grown to demand higher RAM amounts due to Android being such a resource-hog. I hope Sailfish will be able to show it’s Linux heritage in it’s RAM use. It’s a phone, it shouldn’t need more than 1 GB of RAM.

        • Have you ever ran a real code on your pc/laptop? Well you can browse in internet even with an old computer. But why should we pay 400 euros for such a low tech phone?!
          Second, you don’t know about the future, in my point of view, there would be some Apps which would consist some real scientific numerical computations. Such as fashengage, (as an example). Then you need ram, you need a good cpu and afterwards a good display ;)
          Don’t see your nose. see further.

          • Yes, I have run real code on my computer, and yes, maybe in the future there will be some apps that run intense scientific computations on a phone. I see your point, there could be a demand for an Ubuntu edge -type of laptop-in-a-phone. But how many people would want to use their phone for that, when they can get much better performance from their laptop/desktop in any case for the price, and don’t have to worry about battery life.
            I understand most people use their phones for browsing the internet and as a multimedia and gaming device (in addition to the obvious phone functions :D ) and the complaints regarding ram have been about the multitasking with many such applications open at the same time. I was just trying to point out that even though android stutters with a browser, music player and game playing at the same time with 1 GB RAM, a phone doesn’t necessarily have to.
            Of course I hope the next generation of Jolla phones would have better specs, because that’s what technological progress is (partly) about.

        • This is so true. Linux with GUI will run on 512 MB without any problem.

          QT/KDE uses a bit more then GTK/GNOME from the start. But if you start running native QT programs they use way less then GTK/GNOME. QT has the ability to share resources. A QT module is loaded just ones for all programs. So the RAM will not be my first worries about the Jolla Phone.

  20. Well, the problem with these kind of specs is that you get zero coverage from blogs and media. None of the big guys(verge, engadget) are reporting about the specs of the Jolla phone because they are quite mediocre.

    For me personally it is quite a big let down as well, they ram is “just” 1gb (important for .apk apps) and the screen is not that high res (even the N9 is better). I was planning on buying two Jolla phones and giving one as a gift to a good friend, but now I will merely keep my preorder. It is costing them sales and we all now it.

    • I think they are not reporting (or only in a limited way) any news on Jolla just because it’s not made by Apple. Just see the ridiculous amount of media attention paid to iPhone 5C which is really nothing new compared to iPhone 5. It just gives colourful plastic which they copied from Nokia; but none of those reporters even mention that Apple went from innovator to follower.

      Tech media are not unbiased, espcecially the US-based media. Jolla will not overcome that by including a 1280×720 screen instead of 960×540…

      For me personally, I had expected this resolution so I’m not really disappointed. I’m just happy they went for Snapdragon instead of the SE Novathor with whom they originally had a deal. The frequency suggests it’s S4 Plus or Snapdragon 400 in some kind of configuration, so it’s quite up-to-date. 1GB of RAM seems fine for the price range as well.

      And 256ppi on my current phone is quite OK, so I doubt the screen will really bother me too much. I would have liked to see higher, but I choose Jolla for other reasons than the best spec.

  21. I think many of the arguments here are correct and many parts of the specification could be “newer”, “faster”, “larger” etc. On the other hand, for me the decision to pre-order Jolla (actually 2 for our household) has little to do with the actual hardware specifications but is based on the fact that Nokia could not convince me to move to any of their Smartphones. Change from S40 to a Smartphone is a definite change in look and feel so I wanted something different. The fact that Jolla in a Finnish company made the decision easy.

    Sail ON !

  22. I think that 800×480 would be a deal breaker, but 960×540 is just a bit inconvenient.
    I’m still waiting for qwerty keyboard.

    • They didn’t promise one. But on a question from someone on Twitter about a phone with Qwerty keybord there reply was. “What about a Qwerty second half :)” (search there twitter for source).

      So will there be a Qwerty keyboard. I do think so. For now every Tweet that ended with a :) was about some new information. So if you want JollaHQ to tell you something make sure “we can’t reveal this detail yet” not a possible answer.

  23. I’ve posted the same comment on the other thread, and I’m reposting it here since the discussion moved here.

    There’s some point in technology, where specs are good enough, and anything further than that comes with lots of sacrifices (battery life, price, etc.) for small improvements. It’s the law of diminishing returns.

    A dualcore Snapdragon is definitely at the good enough point. A quad core at that frequency would devour battery, and if you dropped the frequency (and still used quadcore), you’d have worse performance than a higher clocked dual core, because most apps barely exploit 2 cores (let alone 4), and not all processes can be threaded.

    Same goes for the camera. It’s a phone camera, mostly used for texting/emailing snapshots and short vids, and the front facing camera for videocalls. The specs are more than enough for these functions.

    Sadly, the screen is not at the point of “good enough”, where improvements would be barely perceptible and not worth it.
    The point of “good enough” is the ~320ppi of the iPhone. Of course there are phones of higher pixel density, even touching 450ppi, but you can’t easily (if at all) tell the difference between that and an iPhone.
    But anything lower than 300ppi and you can easily tell the difference. And as since 2010 woth the iPhone 4, most smartphones got onboard and started offering 300ppi and higher, a retina-like display now is not a novelty that you stare in awe, it’s just commonplace and everything else looks bad, a relic from the past.

    You don’t have to take my word for it.
    The iPhone 4 is 326ppi, the iPhone 3GS is 160 ppi. The Jolla’s ppi lies directly in the middle.
    So, take a look at an iPhone 4 screen, then a 3GS screens, and imagine something in the middle.

    I would be interested to know, though, if the resolution was dictated by display cost, or if the cpu/gpu performance played a role too.
    The difficulty of driving a “denser” display rises geometrically, and mobile GPUs are closed, esoteric and optimized designs, so it’s not like it’s easy to design a good one from scratch.

    • I don’t have to imagine anything with iPhones… I already have a 256ppi screen on my current phone and it’s fine. The difference between that qHD on 4.3″ and the same resolution on 4.5″ will be insignificant. It might even turn out to better on the Jolla, since my current screen is Amoled PenTile, which has less ‘sub-pixels’ than other technologies. Of course, I still don’t know what ‘Estrade screen’ means…

      It’s really just a marketing issue, where many other phones currently offer at least 1280×720 (or 768) resolution, and this looks poor in comparison. But it’s not true that 320ppi is some sort of binary value where anything above is great and everything below is crap.

      Still, it would have silenced a lot of critics to just include 1280×720 and be done with it.

  24. As long as it means more battery life I’m perfectly fine with a lower resolution.
    I’m personally fed up of smartphones requiring to be recharged every 48 hours.

    • My thoughts exactly. It seems manufacturers are upgrading every other feature while trying to keep battery life constant. Maybe because battery life is not so “cool”… But it would seem that the Jolla has the potential for excellent battery life, even without a possible extra battery other-half. This is a strong point in favor of Jolla in my eyes.

  25. 960 x 540 at 245ppi is acceptable to me. It will not put the Jolla phone at the top of any screen comparison charts but it is still very usable and will not nake a great deal of difference in practical use.

    It is indeed a marketing thing where people are just caught up in demanding bigger numbers and more when after a certain point there is very little benefit attached to it.

    It’s the same with the dual core versus quad core processor. Currently mobile phones are not hindered by the use of dual core processors, which are more than capable of running the phone and applications. A quad core would not deliver that much more in terms of practical use but you still have to supply it with power all the time. I personally would prefer the Jolla phone to be a truly mobile phone and not a phone for people who don’t like to be too far from a mains socket like the one Apple sell.

  26. As much as I would like a HD screen, I a writing this on a Samsung S2 with a screen res of 480X800 which is only 214ppi I believe.

    If anyone can remember back the S2 was released it really took the fight to the sour (but massively capable) fruit, & to all intents & purposes this phone is still better than (on par with) most mid range phones on sale today. This screen is perfectly readable to me today and a huge upgrade over my previous Nokia E72’s display, so as long as it is bright enough and has nice viewing angles.

    I can live with the not so great resolution, however if Jolla start to churn out phones with insufficient RAM like 95% of Nokia phones had prior to N9 etc, then I shall abandon ship faster than a speeding bullet. I could not stand seeing that dreaded “insufficient Memory, close some applications and try again” message, especially when there was absolutely nothing running. 1GB is ok, but I was hoping for at least 2GB as that allows a fudge factor for future updates and other such Jazz.

    Anyhoo, I feel a little cheated now since I placed my ordered months ago, but as start ups go, I will stay the course until they reach the promised land and have more $$$$ to throw towards their next mobile.

    My friends Chinese Samsung S4 copy is a cracker, 9mths old, no dramas and has all the features bar one or two pointless gimmicks. If my Jolla is a backward step to my current Sammy S2 then I may revert backwards, at that point Jolla will have lost my business.

  27. Think about it:

    The iPad mini that is just bought has a pixel density of 162 ppi and the screen is really nice. Jolla’s phone has a >240 ppi

    The iPad mini has a 1 GHz dual core ARM, and runs brilliant. Jolla has a 1.4 GHz dual core ARM

    The iPad mini has only 512 Mo RAM… It has never been an issue. Jolla has 1 Go RAM, same as iPhone 5 actually, which everyone can tell it is a brilliant phone.

    I think the specs of the Jolla’s phone are brilliant. Everything else is only childish marketing,

    • Wow I didn’t realise the iPad mini specs were so low… but I suppose it doesn’t matter so much if the OS is optimised to run at this level and the user experience is not compromised.

  28. I kinda feelt and liked the Maemo (Nokia 770/n800/n810 800×480 on 4.13″ so this jolla is fine by me. But the most important thing for me is stabaility. Nokia old maemo was to low on the hardware specs but that was not all. programs stopped responding and sometime locked the device to force battery or power down reset.

  29. The Nexus 4 sucks battery like a bastard and nearly all of it goes to the screen. I have to crank up the light a little because otherwise the automatic mode is to dark, I can’t see anything on the screen with that light. The phone doesn’t even last a day, and no I don’t have any background stuff running. My N900 lasts three days! Its the screen that is the problem, and on top of this it is running under an inefficient operating system like Android. It sucks badly.
    I would EASILY prefer a longer battery life than bitching over some pixels that you can hardly see the difference anyway. Pixel density has become a stupid sales argument.

  30. ‘tho it’s not exactly a deal breaker for me, I voted “yes”. Lots of phones in thise price-tag (some even sligtly cheaper than Jolla) provide 720p screen. Lower res. makes even harder to compete with phones already available.

  31. While I don’t think it’ll be a problem from the quality side I did hope for something like 720p and did somewhat promised myself not to buy something with less than 1024 wide. Leaving the usual realms of smartphones like with easy debian on the n900 you sometimes encounter things that just refuse to scale down for lower resolutions and that OK button that successfully avoids all attempts to be show on screen (and dodges the ones by keyboard) can really test out your limits for patience and frustration.

    • Dear interested
      I am a digital native and enterpreneur, I am reading newspapers and magazins on the phone in the train, airplain or during waiting time, displaying pdfs, powerpoint and other documents.

      I can NOT comfortably read on a 245 ppi screen over a longer time.

      I am using a HTC One at the moment, I have a very good eyesight, I can make out pixels when I am working at my 15″ Retina Macbook pro from 36 cms.
      The screen is the most important interface with the item, and the online world and a crucial keyfeature in the user experience. For people using a phone as a phone no QHD screen is needed, for people how use it as a interface to the online world, you can never have enough resolution.
      I using right now an 468 ppi screen, LG developed a screeen with 536 ppi how will hit the markets 2014 wich is double wath jolla is offering.

      The whole thing shows how Christensen was right about the fact that organisational cultur and mentality is almost impossible to change. This whole thing look so like Nokia to me.
      Nokia strengths were in efficeny of the prodction, offering phones at a good price/quality realation, with an focus on affordabiltiy, mayby the scandinavian egalitarien culture had some influences… As a tradeoff it neglected the premium range, and when the phone became more then just a tool but a symbole of status and belonging, the emotion, inspiration and exellence lacking phones of Nokia (I was using a comunicator and N96 from 2004 to 2009) could not compete with an elitarian Iphone (elitarian for the crowd, Vertu is another range) wich gave the user more than just a phone, but status and idetifiaction…. things how are more worth then a bit of extra money… Lambourginhis or Koenigseggs are beautiful and yes they are cars also but providing transport is not main reason why people give those producers money to solve there transportation problem.

      Why I am writing this ?

      Jolla, as far as i can see (wich is not a lot I agree) is repeting nokia, they dont try to make a game changer, an exellent phone, how might be expensive but place there Brand in top sphere among the mobilphones giving reputation, status and distinction. And mayby a “be different” touch.. Things people want to be. Instead of that they produce a phone for technik geeks and people how cant afford an Iphone 5C (how again said that C stands for Cheap? ). And once the brand has a mid price reputation it will be extremly hard and costly to make up for the lack of reputation. And to comeback to the ppi, in this context, they are more than “just” pixels… especially for users like me.

      And something comletely different:

      It would give this whole tread a better structure if one could rate the Quality of the tread, a like boutton…