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On mobile phones and mobile OS'
  • andreibechetandreibechet
    58.00 KarmaPosts: 110Deckhand
    We can use this thread for general discussions wrt mobile OS' and maybe how Jolla fits into the puzzle.

    As an opening: http://gizmodo.com/why-you-cant-build-a-smartphone-1475789928 and that's why Jolla is not considering the US market yet. (sorry guys but your media has been trashing them and not even giving them a chance)
  • technicustechnicus
    49.00 KarmaPosts: 66Deckhand
    I dont that this seriously.

    Why is everybody measureing "success" with marketpercentage? I mean, there are difference kinds of success. And i think, that these sensible electronic market is living of innovation and not of marketing budget. Sure for a short period of time it will work but not for a long period.

    And i also think that the apps argument doesn't really count. And that doesn't matter if you have Android, Blackberry, Winphone, Apple, FirefoxOS, SailfishOS and so on.
    Because how many apps does somebody really use? I would say if somebody useses regularly 50 apps, it's quiet a lot. So a appshop with something like 1 billion apps + one is just a egotrip in my point of view.
    As long i have a webbrowser, emailclient, calendersync function, listen to music and being able to calling and messaging people i am happy. :)
  • andreibechetandreibechet
    58.00 KarmaPosts: 110Deckhand
    I know what you are saying ... but apparently it is the numbers which count.
  • KnuXKnuX
    41.00 KarmaPosts: 61Crew
    It was an interesting read, but it's a bit too us-centric.

    Statements like "Carrier influence means you can't make a successful smartphone platform without having strong support from them." are made by people from the USA by looking what's happening to the telecomm world around them, not around the world.

    It's said from someone who never heard of Oppo (http://en.oppo.com/ or bq (http://www.bqreaders.com).

    "With the 6 month cycles of today's marketplace that means you have to access to the best components in the world (Samsung), or have such control of your stack that you can optimize your software to make do with lesser hardware. Preferably both."

    In Portugal, people don't have the S4. People have the Samsung piece-of-crap 320x480 singlecore with 512mb of ram and if they're lucky Android 4.0. So if you can give them something better, they will love it. Especially because Android on low-end devices is just sad.

    "Your product has become a commodity unless you can differentiate with your user experience. That requires the telling potential customers about your awesome software, which requires a ton of cash. Samsung spends hundreds of millions each quarter on Galaxy S ads."

    If you have a good product, it speaks for itself. Samsung's low-end devices are negative marketing for them, in my opinion.

    It's telling that even Google is looking back at 512mb devices and optimizing for them with Android 4.4.

    Most people I know DO have smartphones. But they don't use that many apps. So I think the right smartphone with the right message can make inroads.

    "So does this mean we should give up? No. Innovation should continue, but we have to be realistic. No new entrant has any chance of getting more than one percent of the global market. That could still be a success, however, depending on how you define success. If success is being profitable with a few million units, then you can be a success. "

    And finally, I still remember when people said the same thing about Linux. And it's everywhere now. Ironically, just the desktop remains as the sole bastion not conquered and owned by Linux.
    QWERTY fanboy: Nokia N900 (Maemo 5), Sony-Ericsson Xperia Pro (Android 4.0 ICS), Samsung Captivate Glide (Android 4.2 JB)
    Still miss the awesomeness of the N900...
  • JollaTidesJollaTides
    111.00 KarmaPosts: 204Captain
    I think that maybe some of the reviewers are just bitter because Jolla haven't been handing them free handsets for review. :P
    Sail On!
    /
  • andreibechetandreibechet
    58.00 KarmaPosts: 110Deckhand
    I wouldn't expect that from Giz ... they are good guys .... but they are too US-centric (as Knux said). So basically that's why Jolla doesn't consider US yet. And they shouldn't. Even here in Europe people who don't have anything to do with computers don't understand and tell me that i turn into a fanboy ... they just cannot see that diversity is good ... and that Instagram is not all that one can do/need to do with a smartphone.

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