Jolla: Specs Updated, Pre-Order and Other News!

Since the recent press release from a few days ago, more news has been coming thick and fast about the new Jolla phone!

Starting with some new spec information that has appeared on the Jolla website:

New Specs Revealed

New Specs Revealed

Additionally from what we knew already, we can now see that the new Jolla phone will be sporting a dual core 1.4ghz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, 4.5″ qHD (960×540) screen, an additional 2mp front facing camera, a replaceable 2100mah battery, 1GB ram, 16gb internal storage with the option to expand via MicroSD, and other half connectivity via WIFI, NFC, I2C, direct power.

The pre-order for all the lucky people of Finland has also started today but be quick because these pre-order tickets are selling like hot cakes and causing the servers to struggle!

Here’s a new photo which shows the multi tasking view (notice top right an Android app open and the camera settings in the bottom left pane):

Multitasking View

Multitasking View

There has also been confirmation that the Jolla phone will indeed support landscape mode:

Jolla have also confirmed that while there isn’t a dedicated camera shutter button, you can use the volume up key as a shutter button:

Along with the shutter information, Jolla have also revealed a new photo of what the camera UI will look like:

New Camera UI Looking Great!

New Camera UI Looking Sleek And Minimal

Jolla have also confirmed Android Apps can be closed in the same way as typical Sailfish apps, by pulling down from the top:

Finally, for any developers out there, there has been some minor update to the Sailfish SDK:

That’s a lot of new information to absorb – we’ll be discussing some of this further in the coming days, but what do you think of some of these new revelations ? :-)

Sail On…

EDIT: Just noticed that’s out 150th post – not a bad one to mark that occasion!  :-)

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  1. very very very disappointing screen resolution. they should at least double it.

    The other specs are good/average for a phone of that segment (yes, the excellence is supposed to be the OS, I know).

    But such a low res screen is a deal breaker for me, I’m considering right now to cancel my 100€ preorder.

    • While I was hoping for a 720p screen, especially as it’s 4.5″, a qHD screen doesn’t seem that uncommon in the current crop of mid-level phones.

      For instance, HTC’s new HTC 601 has Dual Snapdragon 1.4, 1GB RAM, qHD 4.5″ screen, 2100mAh battery but lower spec 5mp camera & 8GB storage. It’s expected to come in just below the One Mini price (currently about £400 in the UK – Jolla are about £336 for comparison at today’s conversion).

      Actually, looking at the HTC 601 specs and ship date, I wouldn’t be surprised if we might not have found some common parentage.

      Next year though, a Jolla Pro with 1080p, quadcore, 2GB+ RAM, 32GB storage please. ;-)

    • @c.la: Don’t agree there. Resolution in the specs is not top notch, but I think that the importance of screen resolution these days is vastly over estimated. Those pixels are more than enough for that screen size. Remember that your eyes has their limitations around 300 dpi.

    • Samsung Galaxy S4 mini has qHD resolution as well. These specs are quite common in the mid-range handsets these days.

      I agree it could be better but the OS is the main point for now. Jolla 2 can boost the specs if the OS gets good reviews.

      You can’t expect a low-volume phone with a 399€ price tag to deliver 599€ price tag level specs.

  2. Curious about the screen protection (i.e. Gorilla Glass) … and the screen quality.
    The rest of the specs seem quite good.

  3. They should also share the dimensions. Screen resolution is too low sadly. 720p was expected by many people when they were talking HD. qHD is a bit of marketing BS.

  4. From Wiki: qHD is a display resolution of 960×540 pixels, which is exactly one quarter of a Full HD (1080p) frame, in a 16:9 aspect ratio.

    The resolution still works out something very close to the N9 which I thought was more than acceptable so what’s the problem – maybe I’m missing something ?

      • Evolution or de-evolution ? Most people agree N9 had very good strong battery life for smartphone with 1450 mah battery. Realize 2100mah on a larger simliar screen (4.5″) and you looking at a possibly a fone that will have really excellent battery life imo!!

        I like good battery life over small improvements in screen res. I zoomed in to text with N9 and honesty cannot see a pixel no matter how hard I try to see it. TBH you really are a load of fussing farts!

  5. Very disappointed about the display either. Got the 100€ option too… RAM with 1 GB could be a bottleneck, especially for android apps. Considering to cancel my order..

  6. The problem is that a PPI of 245 is tech of 2010. You can see individual pixels and that is bad quality. It’s not even AMOLED, so no low power screen? Sigh, such display should not be used for mid range phones in 2014..

    • As I mentioned earlier, other companies are launching phones with 4.x” qHD screens now also. Some even less PPI – Nokia 625 for instance.

      Yes, I could have been better but I don’t think it’s outrageously out of whack with reality or what we’ll see in mid-range phones in 2014.

    • Yea, but the Lumia 625 is 280€ at the moment and not 399€ at christmas… and since the screen is one of the most important things you use I wish they had done better :/

  7. I for one am content with the specs. :) Just a note about the post, you say “16gb internal storage, 1GB ram with the option to expand via MicroSD”, which is kind of misleading, because it looks like the RAM is expandable (which it obviously is not).

  8. The device being “only” dual core and with a lower screen resolution (compared to days standard) is I think two things that speak for better battery time. The OS itself is probably much more efficient and optimized if you compare to android. My job phone is a Nexus 4, it hardly gets through they day (and then I have no have apps or services installed). My Asus TF700T pad with four cores and high resolution and with a lot of battery power sucks energy like a beast too. Its a android syndrome in general.
    So, keeping our fingers crossed we will benefit something that I think is if very high importance: Battery time AND replaceable battery.

  9. Dear Larswad, nice point but a better way is to turn off your phone. then it will save more battery!! Sry but this phone is not worthy for more than 300 euro! Also we do not know much about OS! Maybe that sucks as well!
    Stephen, why should technical guys have a worse product? It doesn’t make sense for me. I’m a scientist and I like to watch some HD videos on my phone.
    Considering the price, and specs, this should be out in end of 2012 and not 2014. they are one or two years late.
    Even if you want a new os, you can wait for Ubuntu for 3 more months, with much more better Specs!

  10. The specs are ok and if Sailfish OS runs well on 1GB I’m fine with it. But dissappointed with the screen resolution – especially when I think of that it’s worse than on my N9. It should have been HD (on a 4.5″ screen!) and I somehow hope they’ll change it. High-res screens cost money that sure, but low-res might be a deal breaker for some potential customers.

  11. Personally pretty convinced with the product. And unlike as others are saying, I’d rather invest in something that gets me through yet cuts an impression rather than getting something high-end and blabbering out the specs (half of which the general public dont even care about). IMHO, it’s about how elegant you an be rather than how beasty.

    • A day, there was a crazy king and some told him that there is a shirt that just intelligent guys can see that and it is very beautiful. he looked but didn’t see the shirt but he was wondering that if he says he can not see that, it means he is unintelligent. So he weared that “virtual shirt” and went out and all the people of that city started to laugh. The same story with Jolla and you, “if you are intelligent, you should have been convinced with the product”. But I’m not that king, why should I pay 400 euros for a phone with unknown OS with a probably chinees camera and qHD display and 1.4 GHz cpu and then use the Andorid apps on it!

      • “But I’m not that king, why should I pay 400 euros for a phone with unknown OS with a probably chinees camera and qHD display and 1.4 GHz cpu and then use the Andorid apps on it!

        The ‘unknown OS’ is exactly the ‘raison d’etre’ for this phone. It’s the first commercially available phone that runs Sailfish OS and serves to prove that it all works. Some people (like many over here) are excited about that.

        If you want to get the best phone spec at a specific price point, of course there are other choices. You can choose one of those $250 Chinese Android options that combine a MediaTek Quadcore with a Full HD screen (and that are seriously laggy as a result). Or you can get last year’s HTC One X+ 64GB, running Android 4.2 for only €375 these days. But that’s not the point!

        Everyone in the Jolla community is taking a little bit of risk at this stage: the guys and girls at Jolla, the investors, developers and also the first adopters. That was the same with the first iPhone which didn’t even have an app store and was actually rather limited compared to the best Nokia’s at the time (e.g. first iPhone didn’t even have 3G connectivity, which Nokia phones supported since 2004!!!). But look where Apple got with the next models.

        So, if you ask yourself that question “why should I pay 400 euros…” that clearly indicates that you’re not really the early adopter type and that you’re really better of looking for a great deal on one of the many other phones already on offer. Meanwhile, I and many others will continue to support Jolla in these early days, because we see value in what they’re trying to achieve. Worst case scenario: I pony up the extra €299 for the device and I’m not very satisfied with it. Well, big deal…

    • I do believe that most customers wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between, say a N9 resolution and retina even when looking at it. I seriously doubt it makes a real difference in the overall looks and daily usage. BUt I also think that these numbers games are a huge selling point, they are just the stuff that salespeople would point out to a buyer, what an owner would brag about first, what appears on the specs shortlist in any store window and online and what people *believe* will make the phone look cooler. Despite these numbers being just as beside the point as the megapixels race in cameras, it’s what consumers have come to expect and what will greatly impact the decision between one and another phone model. Anyone would think “well this seems like a cool phone, but I’d rather have the fancy one with a better screen”, regardless of whether or not it actually makes a difference to the user experience.

      • The biggest reason I would prefer a higher PPI screen is for text, especially small text on websites that were not designed for mobile, it makes a massive difference to readability.

    • The use of a Qualcomm processor is quite a disappointment. The use of STI would have been a better choice but Nvidia would have been an even better option.

      • What??? Qualcomm beats Nvidia in almost every way, especially performance to power consumpiton ratio. Tegra 2 was a disaster, and Tegra 3 didn’t really live up to expectations either and was beaten by Qualcomm’s Snapdragon S4 dual core, so I wouldn’t expect much from Nvidia. I’m glad Jolla went with Qualcomm.

        • Qualcomm is a very evil company and everything they do is to extract every penny they can all while locking their customers in. Their processors are ARM compatible and not designed to work with any other chips. Nokia used Ti OMAP processors for a reason. They could pick and choose what chips they wanted from Ti, STI, Broadcomm, etc. and they all would work with each other. This also allowed Nokia to make their own chips (like their pentaband chip) and keep the rest of the other components. Qualcomm doesn’t allow this and you need to sue their chips. Back to the ARM compatible, Qualcomm took the ARM instructions and made a chip that supported them and then added some additional instructions. So the Snapdragon is not a true ARM processor design.

          There is a reason why Qualcomm has the reputation that they do. They did sell handsets and they produced the chips. They made sure the chips were priced quite high to prevent others from entering in the handset business (this was for CDMA handsets) and if others did, they would still make a lot of money of selling them chips. Eventually Qualcomm had to sell the phone business as cases were being built against them. Jump to 3G technology and Qualcomm did nothing for WCDMAUMTS/HSPA/etc. but they made sure got their patent fees. They wanted nothing to do with it because it competed with their own in-house 3G technology. The fact is WCDMA arrived a year after CDMA did from Qualcomm and Qualcomm tried to squash it. WCDA offered 56kbps whereas the Qualcomm spec offered at most 14.4kbps. If you used the data cable with your phone, you actually connected to a modem in a 3Com modem bank. This was the Qualcomm setup whereas WCDMA you could get 56Kbps and no modem bank was needed. CDMA was based off of the TDMA feature set, not the more modern GSM standard at the time. So CDMA didn’t have features like those found in GSM. On the road to 4G Qualcomm bought several different technologies and some were a strong contender to become the universal 4G technology. The only reason why they went nowhere was because Qualcomm was tied to them. Many major players in the industry know how Qualcomm operates and they want nothing to do with them. Look at how they treated their 3G customers? Sprint and Verizon were locked in a 3.6Mbps for the longest time and the only road for them was 4G which wasn’t available. They also tried to lock carriers into the only upgrade path they had was what Qualcomm offered. Why do you think Sprint and Verizon jumped ship when they could? Better technology, a real roadmap and no technology vendor lock-in.

          Once Samsung gets their Exynos 4G chips fully developed, expect them to finally dump Qualcomm for good. That puts the top two handset manufactures not using Qualcomm at all for the main CPU.

  12. Poll is a good idea. I vote no deal-breaker. I mean what is with people staring long and hard at the display until they finally manage to discern single pixels, just so they can nag that it’s not like the iphone? how close to your face are you holding that phone anyway?
    The 848×480 of the N900 have always been enough for me, and if the higher pixel number of Jolla proportionally matches the larger screen, it’s fine with me, and doubly so if it means a longer battery life.

  13. It tends to be a deal breaker for me as well…i’ve been spoiled with 300+ ppi :p and I don’t think I can go back. Not sure that Jolla can change anything anymore.

  14. I can’t believe the Jolla will have only qHD… Really dissapointed about that.

    BUT I don’t really NEED an HD screen on a phone. I would happily exchange a higher resolution for better battery life, which is probably the case here. Also, there is much more to a screen than just ppi. I would choose a good-quality qHD screen over a crappy HD screen any day. So I’m hoping the other qualities are top-notch.

    Then again, unlike other manufacturers like HTC or LG, Jolla has developed it’s own OS and UI instead of just slapping android on a phone, which would have been much cheaper. I think this is something that should be taken into consideration when comparing the Jolla to mid-range Android devices.

    Jolla has differentiated itself from the others with it’s unique OS and hardware customisation, while other manufacturers have to differentiate themselves by specs, since they have nothing else. At this price point and at this point in time, Jolla can’t compete on specs against Samsung or LG or Sony, but I don’t think they need to.

    My personal priorities are battery life, customisability as well as fluidity and consistency of the user experience. The announced specs meet my needs very well.
    The Jolla probably isn’t for people who put specs over user experience. Those people should just get an android phone.

  15. For me as well, a deal breaker. Maybe thats the reason of second pre order in just Finland, they are thinking of paying back some of the previous pre orders!

  16. 1GB RAM is lame. It will certainly be a bottleneck with the multitasking, especially with Andorid apps. What were you thinking Jolla? There will not be that many native apps in the beginning that handle the ram more smartly. The small RAM is definitely a downside.
    1,4GHz Snapdragon is a little vague for an information. Which Snapdragon exactly are they gonna use? There are a few dozen builds that can go up to 1,4Ghz, the earliest ones being from 2010.
    We definitely don’t want to see a chip from the second oldest series of Snapdragons in the Jolla phone.

  17. It is so STUPID that you guys are comparing this to the giants ! They are small manufacturer, hence bad price/quality ratio. There is no way that they can compete with giants like samsung, htc or nokia hardware wise. They need your support to grow !

      • I will not pay money to support somebody! They can ask their government for Support. They could at least vanish the taxes on their products ;) Its buisness and not Football

      • Good question. Market demands it, UI is better experience with bigger screen, they were satisfied with produced DPI… Answers are many, but i guess only jolla knows the correct one.

      • Some people will look at the size not the resolution.

        A bigger screen also means a bigger phone overall so you can cram in a bigger battery, better aerials, SD card slot, extra features or make it thinner. I’m sure half the reason people like Samsung started making bigger screened phones was just because without that, they’d not be able to fit in a battery big enough to power the early power hungry LTE chips.

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  19. Of all of the screen properties, the constrast ratio is what worries me the most. From the photos we’ve been shown, even in ideal lighting conditions, the blacks look dark-grayish. And the colors could be punchier.

  20. Someone had been posting under almost 20 different aliases in this thread arguing the same thing that he wanted an HD resolution screen which clearly has altered the course of this discussion and so the comments have been removed.

    That is why you may find gaps in the discussion – apologies for this.

      • No we welcome and are open to all kinds of comments, objective criticism of course.

        But when one person tries to derail a thread by posting under 20 different names influencing readers by making it look like this one person is 20 different people stating the exact same opinion each time, that’s deceptive to anyone reading and sadly falsifies the argument even if it was a valid point in the first place.

  21. True that. I live in India, and there’s been a massive influx of local startups offering dirt cheap phones with specs as good as the S4. Micromax is one i’d like to say has risen above the rest as a quality brand. But the issue with these cheap ones is that there are no proper customer care measures taken. Being a Nokia user all my life, this thing miffs me.
    And secondly, a majority of their operations take place in India itself, so the final product anyway stays cheap. It’s like Apple selling the iPhone in the US, it’s obviously gonna be cheap (i mean cheaper that the rest of the world atleast)

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  23. I’m one of those waiting for the second bunch of pre-orders to put mine.
    What some are apparently forgetting it’s what Jolla is supposed to be: a smart, new, well integrated, easy to use, quality built smartphone. Just as Nokia used to be in the golden times of the E and N series I expect not some huuge device with uncountable pixels and one core per finger.
    I expect something nice to have, with the right price, unique, that work without problems and its pleased to use. I don’t expect big sales numbers, but expect happy customers.
    Do you want numbers? Ok pay 700 € for a high end model of any preferred brand.
    400€ are almost exactly the price I paid for my well designed Nokia, I’m pleased to pay the same amount for the first real successor.

  24. Personally the OS UI/UX is key for me, I’m not thinking of screen resolution when I’m on a phone call or on Skype (hint!). Jolla is truly setting up for a market upset come end of year. Saw the EXOPC demo on YouTube, and Sailfish is so smooth on a tablet. This is perfect. The beauty is in the Sailfish OS folks, not the lack or possession of 1080p screens.

  25. Spec values are useless alone whole product experience. I just want to see whole phone up on running whit unknown OS and after that i can know is it good or not. I’m actually intrested to see how powerful OS is even low rams:s :)

  26. People complaining about screen res are marketing victims and nuts. They want to have 15000 ppi so that they can use their phone with a microscope. Never mind that at typical viewing distances the human eye cannot distinguish higher resolutions. Camera needs 500 MP because it’s 2013. Yay for noise!
    Only dual core and just 1.4 GHz. More processing power than they had for the Moon Landing, but not enough for playing Angry Birds and shitty music.
    And at 399€ you are still not paying the whole price for the phone. Environment gets trashed and workers get exploited just so you can buy a phone AND go on vacation AND buy lots of other things that make it even worse.
    So STFU or go kill yourself.

  27. Interesting. Unlike some commenters, I’m loving the combination of dual core 1.4 GHz Snapdragon (no quad core), qHD screen (no HD) and a 2100 mAh battery (the same battery that powers some quad core, HD screened phones). That, and the theoretical reduced demands of Sailfish (remember it ran in a N9 phone), mean: AMAZING BATTERY LIFE. That’s nothing to be ashamed of.

  28. Reality check Pilgims. Here in the land of Kangaroos, Emus and Wombats, blue sky and lovely beaches – Price / feature comparisons – For au$500 it compares roughly to a Samsung Mini S4 but its specs are only slightly better, a little more expensive that the Nokia 820 but obviously cheaper that the 925 which is a quality product – pity about their W8 OS though. Sailfish on a 925 would be very nice.These are from discount retail outlets, not on-sale prices, nor off the net, which will be sometimes significantly cheaper.
    My eyes are still pretty good and I cannot see individual pixels on my N9. It’s the build quality – good camera/pictures – Gorilla glass hopefully – and most importantly – Sailfish. It’s that simple Pilgims.

  29. There’s some point in technology, where specs are good enough, and anything further than that comes with lots of sacrifices (battery life, price, etc.) for small improvements. It’s the law of diminishing returns.

    A dualcore Snapdragon is definitely at the good enough point. A quad core at that frequency would devour battery, and if you dropped the frequency (and still used quadcore), you’d have worse performance than a higher clocked dual core, because most apps barely exploit 2 cores (let alone 4), and not all processed can be threaded.

    Same goes for the camera. It’s a phone camera, mostly used for texting/emailing snapshots and short vids, and the front facing camera for videocalls. The specs are more than enough for these functions.

    Sadly, the screen is not at the point of “good enough”, where improvements would be barely perceptible and not worth it.
    The point of “good enough” is the ~320ppi of the iPhone. Of course there are phones of higher pixel density, even touching 450ppi, but you can’t easily (if at all) tell the difference between that and an iPhone.
    But anything lower than 300ppi and you can easily tell the difference. And as since 2010 woth the iPhone 4, most smartphones got onboard and started offering 300ppi and higher, a retina-like display now is not a novelty that you stare in awe, it’s just commonplace and everything else looks bad, a relic from the past.

    I would be interested to now, though, if the resolution was dictated by display cost, or if the cpu/gpu performance played a role too.
    The difficulty of driving a “denser” display rises geometrically, and mobile GPUs are closed, esoteric and optimized designs, so it’s not like it’s easy to design a good one from scratch.

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  32. On one of the web sites about mobile phones there was somthing rather strange. Samsung Galaxy S3 has got battery at the same capacity as the one in jolla, but “talking time” is 790 minutes insted of 500 (for jolla) and also standby time was an hour longer. Jolla mobile has got only 2-core processor compering to 4 cores in Galaxy S3 and a lot bigger display. Where’s the power going to in Jolla???????????????

  33. Dear Shiny, I guess they can not change. I guess for late 2013 release, they should be now in the production procedure and they have ordered everything to produce.

  34. these new indian and chinees brand even offer better specs with lower price and you can get them this weekend ;) :D I meant with the word chineese copies from not well know chineese companies. Sorry all for the misunderstanding :)

  35. Yep … totally agree with you. I’d rather have my phone in Jan and have a decent display with some Gorilla Glass or other protection on it.

  36. Yeah, one can wait for bigger manufacturer to bring sailfish OS.. I think lack of resources is the reason for that lackluster display. I’m upgrading from lumia 720(display is fine for me), so it’s all good for me anyways…

  37. 1. Well, long long ago, there was news of Jolla partnering with D-mobile (or whatever the name is, China’s largest handset maker or so). 2. There’s this Chinese startup called Zopo which will be bringing Sailfish phones in India.
    3. Some days back, in a post over here, we learnt that Sailfish has complete Android conpatability, which makes OEMs like HTC and Nokia to just dump Sailfish onto already existing hardware.
    So yeah, your question, answered.